Sport Auto: Wet Handling Course - Page 2

Bruce · 10-15-2006, 03:07 PM

I've obtained new information on this test which I did not know before!

All of the wet water course tests are done with the traction control systems on - except of course with the vehicles which do not have the system (IE. Ford GT) This helps clarify much.

For example, magazines have stated numerous times before that the TC system on the 997 GT3 is the same one found on the Carrera GT - and that particular system is known to allow a lot 'play' before it's activates. This obviously helped the GT3 acheive it's superb lap times.

On the F430 matter,

I'm not sure If anybody recently watched Best Motoring's test of the F430, but in case you haven't, they ran the F430 on a wet circle track attempting to drift the vehicle - they tried this operation with all five settings and they found the rain and snow mode to be extremely intrusive. I would assume the F430 was run in "rain" mode and that meant the acceleration was extremely limited.

Zonda · 10-15-2006, 03:12 PM

I've seen that episode. The F430 wasn't good at all in the wet compared to the competition.

GTA8.5 · 10-15-2006, 03:13 PM

I really think it`s interesting how the SL65 beat the CLK-DTM and SLK55 considering it`s heft. Thats amazing!

Matt · 10-15-2006, 03:30 PM

tires are really important on this test.....Thats why im just a bit on the skeptical side. However its probably true that Audi and porsche have the best times due to engine/drivetrain set up..etc. Id be curious how the turbo would do on this because its all wheel drive as well.

klier · 10-15-2006, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeJ

OK, here's a special list, just for you:

Rear-engined RWD cars:
1:27.2 - Porsche 997 GT3
1:28.4 - Porsche 997 Carrera S

Front-engined AWD cars:
1:27.5 - Audi B7 RS4
1:30.7 - Volkswagen R32 MK2

Mid-engined RWD cars:
1:29.1 – Porsche Cayman S
1:31.8 - Ford GT
1:33.5 - Koenigsegg CCR
1:34.2 - Pagani Zonda F
1:38.2 - Ferrari F430

Front-engined RWD cars:
1:29.6 - Maserati GranSport
1:30.3 - Chevrolet Corvette C6
1:31.0 - BMW M6
1:32.2 - Alpina Roadster S
1:33.4 - Aston Martin V8 Vantage
1:34.2 - BMW Z4 3.0 CSi
1:35.6 - Mercedes-Benz SL65
1:35.7 - BMW E60 M5
1:35.8 - BMW 335i
1:36.2 - Mercedes-Benz CLK DTM
1:37.6 - Mercedes-Benz SLK55 AMG

Front-engined FWD cars:
1:35.1 - Volkswagen Golf GTi DSG

Happy now?

Much better. You can't compare apples with oranges!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Audiholic

A T-Y-P-I-C-A-L answer from a BMW biased person that just can't admit defeat. It sickens me.

...

At least I made you laugh.

...

Centurion · 10-16-2006, 07:09 AM

Great thread

. Wow the GT3 is superb, to be honest I really expected the 911 models to be at the bottom of this list. This just shows that the 911 is still the best sports car in the world.

CarGuy · 10-16-2006, 08:38 PM

To me this test does not mean anything. Many cars have very different traction control systems from others which means some are way more intrusive. A cars full potencial should only be tested with the traction off.

Bruce · 11-17-2006, 04:07 PM

New

1:34.8 - Jaguar XKR, 2007

Sunny · 11-17-2006, 04:41 PM

Kudos to Porsche and karma to 7.3 AMG. ... except I can't give karma, says something about spreading reputation!

Bruce · 11-17-2006, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sunny

Kudos to Porsche and karma to 7.3 AMG. ... except I can't give karma, says something about spreading reputation!

Lol, thanks anyways

10-15-2006, 03:07 PM	#11
Bruce Super Moderator Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 10,183 Thanks: 5,331 Thanked 3,852 Times in 2,260 Posts	Re: Sport Auto: Wet Handling Course I've obtained new information on this test which I did not know before! All of the wet water course tests are done with the traction control systems on - except of course with the vehicles which do not have the system (IE. Ford GT) This helps clarify much. For example, magazines have stated numerous times before that the TC system on the 997 GT3 is the same one found on the Carrera GT - and that particular system is known to allow a lot 'play' before it's activates. This obviously helped the GT3 acheive it's superb lap times. On the F430 matter, I'm not sure If anybody recently watched Best Motoring's test of the F430, but in case you haven't, they ran the F430 on a wet circle track attempting to drift the vehicle - they tried this operation with all five settings and they found the rain and snow mode to be extremely intrusive. I would assume the F430 was run in "rain" mode and that meant the acceleration was extremely limited. Last edited by Bruce; 06-22-2007 at 01:01 AM..

10-15-2006, 03:12 PM	#12
Zonda Aficionado Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: La Svezia! Posts: 4,707 Thanks: 831 Thanked 809 Times in 461 Posts	Re: Sport Auto: Wet Handling Course I've seen that episode. The F430 wasn't good at all in the wet compared to the competition.

10-15-2006, 03:13 PM	#13
GTA8.5 Devotee Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Kansas City, USA. Posts: 2,912 Thanks: 116 Thanked 153 Times in 113 Posts	Re: Sport Auto: Wet Handling Course I really think it`s interesting how the SL65 beat the CLK-DTM and SLK55 considering it`s heft. Thats amazing!

10-15-2006, 03:30 PM	#14
Matt Devotee Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Los Angeles, California Posts: 2,957 Thanks: 270 Thanked 128 Times in 90 Posts	Re: Sport Auto: Wet Handling Course tires are really important on this test.....Thats why im just a bit on the skeptical side. However its probably true that Audi and porsche have the best times due to engine/drivetrain set up..etc. Id be curious how the turbo would do on this because its all wheel drive as well.

10-16-2006, 07:09 AM	#16
Centurion Jetsetter Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Sweden Posts: 9,202 Thanks: 1,037 Thanked 1,507 Times in 805 Posts	Re: Sport Auto: Wet Handling Course Great thread. Wow the GT3 is superb, to be honest I really expected the 911 models to be at the bottom of this list. This just shows that the 911 is still the best sports car in the world.

10-16-2006, 08:38 PM	#17
CarGuy Advocate Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Edmonton, Canada Posts: 632 Thanks: 88 Thanked 95 Times in 47 Posts	Re: Sport Auto: Wet Handling Course To me this test does not mean anything. Many cars have very different traction control systems from others which means some are way more intrusive. A cars full potencial should only be tested with the traction off.

11-17-2006, 04:07 PM	#18
Bruce Super Moderator Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 10,183 Thanks: 5,331 Thanked 3,852 Times in 2,260 Posts	Re: Sport Auto: Wet Handling Course New 1:34.8 - Jaguar XKR, 2007

11-17-2006, 04:41 PM	#19
Sunny Advocate Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 936 Thanks: 475 Thanked 183 Times in 117 Posts	Re: Sport Auto: Wet Handling Course Kudos to Porsche and karma to 7.3 AMG. ... except I can't give karma, says something about spreading reputation!

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