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Old 11-28-2006, 06:23 AM   #1
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Now, wimmer, please jump in and translate this for us.... There is something very interesting here...

Btw, is this a very first "vs" test of 335i?


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Re: Autobild: 335i vs. 911

lol what a comparison. Ill read it later tonight
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Re: Autobild: 335i vs. 911

Why LOL? I though you'd say WOW!

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Re: Autobild: 335i vs. 911

Even if the BMW 335i appears based on the 911er like an good deal: Puristi sports car fans will give their last shirt surely for a Porsche. And rightfully. However the BMW offers the more reasonable compromise. Including the joy over a whole quantity saved money.
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Re: Autobild: 335i vs. 911

I've tried to use freetranslation.com for this, but you'd all LYAO...

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Re: Autobild: 335i vs. 911

For everyday use, a 335i would be a hell of a lot more comfortable.

Maybe they should wait for the M3....but the 335i coupe is so good they probably coun't resist comparing it to this legend
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Re: Autobild: 335i vs. 911

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Maybe they should wait for the M3....but the 335i coupe is so good they probably coun't resist comparing it to this legend
I bet that is exactly the reason for such a comparo.

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Re: Autobild: 335i vs. 911

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Test BMW 335i gegen Porsche 911

Mit dem neuen 335i hat BMW ein heißes Eisen auf die Straße gebracht. Wie schlägt sich der Münchner im Vergleich zum deutlich teureren Porsche 911 Carrera? Lohnt es sich, das letzte Hemd in Zuffenhausen zu lassen?
Von Ralf Kund 34.723 Euro sind eine Menge Geld. Damit ließen sich Traumurlaube finanzieren, edle Designer-Klamotten oder prächtiges Geschmeide. Exakt diese Summe liegt zwischen dem BMW 335i und dem Einstiegs-911er. Da stellt sich die Frage: Ist es die Ikone 911 wert, für sie das letzte Hemd herzugeben? Immerhin entspricht die Differenz etwa dem Gegenwert eines Audi A6 oder einer Mercedes C-Klasse. Auch wenn sich Porsche-Puristen beim Lesen dieser Frage voller Unverständnis abwenden: Sie muss erlaubt sein. (With the new 335i, BMW has released a smoking hot car for the road. We want to know how the car compares to the more expensive Porsche 911 Carrera. Is it worth paying more for the sports car from Stuttgart?)

Schließlich liegen die beiden sportlichen Coupés bei Motor- und Fahrleistungen so eng zusammen, dass man schon ins Grübeln kommen kann: 325 PS mobilisiert der Porsche aus seinem 3,6-Liter-Boxer, 306 sind es beim 130 Kilogramm schwereren BMW. Und während der Klassiker aus Zuffenhausen den Spurt auf 100 km/h in 5,1 Sekunden absolviert, ist der 335i mit 5,5 Sekunden nicht bedeutend langsamer. Auch beim Run auf die 200 km/h stehen die 19,1 Sekunden nicht schlecht gegen die 18,2 des Porsche. Nur beim High-Speed-Kacheln über die Autobahn sieht der BMW-Pilot irgendwann nur noch (kurz) das Heck des Elfers. Während der Elan des BMW bei 250 km/h elektronisch eingebremst wird, karriolt der Porsche noch munter weiter, bis bei 285 km/h der Kampf gegen die Elemente in eine energiegeladene Patt-Situation mündet. (Both cars are equally match, performance wise. The Porsche mobilizes 325-horsepower from its 3.6-l Boxer 6-cylinder engine. The BMW, which weighs 103 kg more, produces 306-horsepower. 0-100 km/h takes place in 5.1 seconds for the Porsche, the BMW trails with an equally impressive 5.5 seconds. 0-200 km/h was measured as 18.2 seconds for the Porsche and 19.1 seconds for the BMW. Like we said, equally matched vehicles. Only during high-speed driving on the Autobahn does the BMW driver see the rear of the Porsche as it is limited to 250 km/h. The Porsche soldiers on until 285 km/h top speed.)

Doch wie so oft bringt der reine Vergleich nackter Zahlen zwar Diskussionsstoff für den Stammtisch. Doch auf einem anderen Blatt steht, wie sich das Ganze anfühlt. Und das ist bei beiden spektakulär, wenn auch aus verschiedenen Gründen. Hat man es sich in den sportlich geschnittenen Sitzen bequem gemacht und die umständliche Prozedur mit dem modischen Startknopf absolviert, grummelt der Reihensechser des BMW entspannt vor sich hin. Der Clou des Triebwerks ist die doppelte sogenannte Registeraufladung, auch Twin-Turbo genannt. Dabei werden zwei Turbolader hintereinandergeschaltet. Beide Lader sind klein dimensioniert, was das Trägheitsmoment verringert, den Verbrauch in Grenzen hält und das Turboloch ausmerzen soll. (The BMW engine has a nice sound to it. The magic behind the engine is the so-called "register charging", also called TWIN TURBO. Both turbos are set to operate at different times. This and their small size ensure that fuel economy is acceptable and that turbo-lag is erradicated.)

Unter bissigem, aber verhaltenem Knurren wirft sich der 335i in Szene und überrascht mit einer sehr gleichmäßigen Leistungsentfaltung. Weder ist ein Turboloch zu spüren noch der Einsatz der Lader. Bei jeder Drehzahl reagiert der 335i sofort auf Gasbefehle. Wie lässig der 335i hochdreht – das fühlt sich eher nach einem deutlich größeren Motor an. Nur nicht an der Tankstelle: 9,5 Liter Super Plus sind ein in dieser Leistungsklasse sehr guter Wert. Auch der 911er bietet sehr gute, etwas engere und straffere Sportsitze. Fühlt man sich im BMW wie in sportlicher Freizeitkleidung, gibt der Porsche den eng anliegenden Trainingsanzug. Ein Dreh am Zündschlüssel – und eine Komposition aus mechanischem Rasseln, tiefem Grollen und hellem Singen verzückt die Ohren. Mit klassischen Rundinstrumenten mit zentralem Drehzahlmesser oder der optionalen Stoppuhr aus dem Sport-Chrono-Paket unterstreicht der Porsche seinen Anspruch. Fast langweilig wirkt dagegen die schlichte Instrumentierung des BMW. (The 335i impresses with responsive and eager performance. We didn't detect any turbo-lag or any turbo screams. At every RPM, the 335i responds to every little input. The fuel economy is also more than acceptable: 9.5 L / 100 km in this class and for such a car are amazing. The 911 also offers impressive performance. The seats are a little harder and offer more side support though. The BMW feels like the sporty everyday clothes you wear, while the Porsche feels like a trainings / jogging unform. Turn the ignition knob and the Porsche comes to life with that classic growl. The instruments are classic. We found the intruments of the BMW a tad boring compared to the Porsche's.)

Der Eindruck täuscht: Im Vergleich gibt sich der BMW eher geschmeidig.
Doch mimt das Coupé mit aufpreispflichtigen schwarzen Interieurleisten eher den Gentleman-Sportler. Gibt man dem Porsche die Sporen, entfesselt sich ein akustisches Feuerwerk. Je höher der Drehzahlmesser klettert, desto williger und aggressiver wird das Hörerlebnis. Voll ausgedreht erwartet den Porsche-Fahrer ein klangfarbenreiches Trompetenkonzert, das markanter und auch direkter zu den Insassen durchdringt als im BMW. Eine wirklich sportliche Vorstellung. Die sich noch verstärkt, wenn man beide Kontrahenten über kurvenreiche Straßen scheucht. Während der Porsche seinen Piloten niemals über die Beschaffenheit der Straße im Unklaren lässt, filtert der BMW Unebenheiten geschmeidig aus. Im direkten Vergleich fühlt sich der BMW-Fahrer wie mit Watte umhüllt. (At higher speeds, the Porsche engine becomes louder and louder, but the music we hear is addicting. The BMW does a better job at exterior sound isolation, but the traditional screaming engines are all part of the Porsche experience. Roadtest: both cars handle well, but the Porsche suspension always reminds you what roads you're driving o as the driver feels every bump. The BMW suspension is more adept at filtering out the unwanted road conditions. Compared to the raw nature of the Porsche, the BMW feels like a luxury ride.)

Also noch mal zurück zur Ausgangsfrage. 34.723 Euro liegen zwischen dem Sportwagenklassiker schlechthin und dem feschen Bayern mit dem Wundermotor. Legt man Wert auf Komfort, Platz und Alltagstauglichkeit, dürfte es bessere Verwendungsmöglichkeiten für das Geld geben. Unter sportlichen Aspekten bietet jedoch der 911er jenes Plus an Emotionalität und Begehrlichkeit, das ihn letztlich zur Legende gemacht hat. (A price question: the difference in price between these two cars is a whooping 34,723 Euro's. If you value comfort, space and overall practicality, the BMW is the car to get. Those looking for the sporty and emotional aspect as well as a car from a line of legends are best served with the Porsche 911 Carrera.)

Fazit von AUTO BILD SPORTSCARS-Redakteur Ralf Kund:
Auch wenn der BMW 335i gemessen am 911er wie ein Schnäppchen erscheint: Puristische Sportwagenfans werden für einen Porsche sicher ihr letztes Hemd geben. Und das zu Recht. Den vernünftigeren Kompromiss bietet aber der BMW. Inklusive der Freude über eine ganze Menge gespartes Geld. (Even though the BMW 335i is more than up to the task of rivaling the Porsche, true sports car fans will always go for the Porsche. And that's well-deserved for the Porsche as it is the better sports car. Those looking for an overall package of sport and some luxury and better value will find their car in the BMW.)



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Re: Autobild: 335i vs. 911

Karma deserved and given! Thanks, wimmer!

You guys over at Porsche... Be afraid, be very afraid of the one letter and one number...

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