Mercedes Benz CLS63/////AMG or BMW ///M6 ????? - Page 7

The Artist · 08-17-2006, 07:15 AM

I know..that the engine does all that..ofcourse it not on the edge like a F1 engine.. realibility is a factor to.. so it couldnt..
but compared to the AMG engine its more on the edge and sharp.. nothing wrong with that like i said before..

PS
Can someone explain to me why there is a advantage of having low displacement? it cant be fuel efficency the M5 is thirsty is hell..
so whats the deal?? other than its a harder to make..and gives Fans somethig to brag about?

Merc1 · 08-17-2006, 07:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Imhotep Evil

6.3 litre is more than 5 litres.
The AMG does more with less and alot more.

This doesn't make any sense. The BMW has more cylinders too and yet doesn't make more power. In fact it makes a lot less torque.

M

Just_me · 08-17-2006, 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Merc1

This doesn't make any sense. The BMW has more cylinders too and yet doesn't make more power. In fact it makes a lot less torque.

M

Less displacement, less torque.

Anyway, I dont know if any of you guys tried the new M5. I was surprised how easily the M5 pulled on 7th gear when you drove slow as 50km/h. I thought it would take time for the car to accelerate but it gain speed so quickly. The car is incredible flexible despite its weight. I wished I had 500 nm in my car

Merc1 · 08-17-2006, 07:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Just_me

Less displacement, less torque.

I'm still trying to figure out what puts the V10 on a "higher plane" from the AMG V8.

M

Just_me · 08-17-2006, 07:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Merc1

I'm still trying to figure out what puts the V10 on a "higher plane" from the AMG V8.

M

Lets call some engine engineers and tell them to go here and explain to us

Merc1 · 08-17-2006, 07:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Just_me

Lets call some engine engineers and tell them to go here and explain to us

That would be nice. I'm surprised none of the German magazines have compared and disected these engines side by side yet.

To me on paper they're more or less equal once you get past the cylinder count and displacement.

M

Imhotep Evil · 08-17-2006, 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Merc1

This doesn't make any sense. The BMW has more cylinders too and yet doesn't make more power. In fact it makes a lot less torque.

M

I guess here is a cylinder vs. displacement argument.
This official restricted "wimped" power specs aren't good for comparing the engines.

The old 4 litre V8 400 HP from the e39 M5/Z8 was squiezzed to 500 HP by some tuners without forced induction or displacement modifications (boring).

The S70/2 was suposed to develope ~514 HP, but it achieved ~627 HP in the F1, 680 in the F1 LM, and even went beyond 700 HP in its S70/3 evolution.
This from just 6064 cc displacement.

The S85 V10 has about ~540 HP deristricted.
Exhausts (with software) alone can add ~90 HP, and with higher air intakes and ECU tweaks passing the 600 HP barrier won't be a problem.

Merc1 · 08-17-2006, 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Imhotep Evil

I guess here is a cylinder vs. displacement argument.
This official restricted "wimped" power specs aren't good for comparing the engines.

The old 4 litre V8 400 HP from the e39 M5/Z8 was squiezzed to 500 HP by some tuners without forced induction or displacement modifications (boring).

The S70/2 was suposed to develope ~514 HP, but it achieved ~627 HP in the F1, 680 in the F1 LM, and even went beyond 700 HP in its S70/3 evolution.
This from just 6064 cc displacement.

The S85 V10 has about ~540 HP deristricted.
Exhausts (with software) alone can add ~90 HP, and with higher air intakes and ECU tweaks passing the 600 HP barrier won't be a problem.

Actually the previous M5/Z8 V8 was a 5-liter.

M

Imhotep Evil · 08-17-2006, 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Merc1

Actually the previous M5/Z8 V8 was a 5-liter.

M

Hmmm, my bad.

The Artist · 08-17-2006, 08:42 AM

The case is the same for the 63.. it ranges from 480hp to 580 ( CLK DTM Orange one) all in NA..with some minor tweaks

View Poll Results: CLS63 or M6 ?????
CLS63 /////AMG	47	48.45%
/// M6	50	51.55%
Voters: 97. You may not vote on this poll

08-17-2006, 07:15 AM	#61
The Artist Expert Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Sweden Gothenburg Posts: 13,186 Thanks: 257 Thanked 1,235 Times in 678 Posts	Re: Mercedes Benz CLS63/////AMG or BMW ///M6 ????? I know..that the engine does all that..ofcourse it not on the edge like a F1 engine.. realibility is a factor to.. so it couldnt.. but compared to the AMG engine its more on the edge and sharp.. nothing wrong with that like i said before.. PS Can someone explain to me why there is a advantage of having low displacement? it cant be fuel efficency the M5 is thirsty is hell.. so whats the deal?? other than its a harder to make..and gives Fans somethig to brag about?

08-17-2006, 08:42 AM	#70
The Artist Expert Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Sweden Gothenburg Posts: 13,186 Thanks: 257 Thanked 1,235 Times in 678 Posts	Re: Mercedes Benz CLS63/////AMG or BMW ///M6 ????? The case is the same for the 63.. it ranges from 480hp to 580 ( CLK DTM Orange one) all in NA..with some minor tweaks

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode

Similar Threads
Thread	Thread Starter	Forum	Replies	Last Post
Mercedes-Benz Lineup At The International Motor Show In Geneva	Alx	The Mercedes-Benz Lounge	14	03-11-2006 09:03 AM
My Thoughts on Mercedes Benz	Mr. Mercedes	The Mercedes-Benz Lounge	191	02-28-2006 09:41 AM
Mercedes Simplex Reunited At Mercedes-Benz Museum	Alx	Older MBs, Classics	3	11-19-2005 10:06 AM
Mercedes cut German sales target	EnI	The Mercedes-Benz Lounge	36	11-09-2005 01:52 AM
Time magazine article on the state of affairs at Mercedes Benz...	Deutsch	The Mercedes-Benz Lounge	11	10-22-2005 12:32 PM