Will BMW Bow Down To The NISSAN GTR??? - Page 4

Tycoon · 12-20-2007, 03:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NarutoRamen

As much as I love the GT-R, BMW doesn't need to change a thing about the M3. The day they make the M3 a TT-AWD car is the day I turn to their competitors. the M3 is all about a RWD with a high-revving naturally aspirated engine. If they go the "AWD with Twin-turbo" route, all they'd be doing is following Nissan and others. BMW doesn't need to follow, they need to lead.

Word.

And no, BMW will NOT bow down to anyone, let alone Nissan..

Regardless of this GT-R monster.

SDNR · 12-20-2007, 03:51 AM

You are right Chris, the Japanese have always done this.

Just a little OT:
In the mid 70s, the German company Zeiss decided to stop making its Contax cameras in Germany and did a deal with Japanese electronics company Kyocera to make them in Japan. In 2005, Zeiss and Kyocera decided to discontinue the production of Contax cameras altogether because they were not competitive in the digital camera market.

^I guess my point was Zeiss took advantage of Japanese technology and the yen.

vedjo01 · 12-20-2007, 04:40 AM

LOL,funny thread..here is what I think..

Centurion · 12-20-2007, 05:22 AM

After having read a few of the reviews and comparisons I'm impressed by what Nissan has accomplished with the GT-R. The Vette off course offers similar performance but is just like the Viper, a bit uncivilized. While cars like the 911 and GT-R has leather interior with more or less all comfort features found in any Benz or Bimmer. I'm glad Nissan chose that path because this will be a good choice for those who are in the market for a high performing daily driver resembling the M3.

Just_me · 12-20-2007, 05:28 AM

I want to change the question: Will Skyline GTR bow down to ZR-1?

Merc1 · 12-20-2007, 05:35 AM

Yep. I expect a full humiliation of the GT-R by the ZR-1.

M

Maximus Decimus · 12-20-2007, 08:30 AM

I think the following cars will see less than expected sales volumes thanks to the GTR. M3, Carrera's and Caymans, and Z06's. For the same money it will outperform the M3 and Porsches in basically every performance category. Although it's certainly not Audi/VW standard, the GTR will likely have a much more refined interior than the Chevy. Am I the only one that thinks the Vette and the Chevy Aveo use interior bits from the same parts bin?

My buddy test drove a new Vette, and although it drove great, he said the fit and finish could have been better as he noticed an odd but persistent squeak coming somewhere from the rear over every bump.

Onehots2k, I said the same thing in the other forum where you posed a similar question. I love the M3, always have, always will, and even though I'm not sold on the styling of the GTR inside or out, the value for dollar can't be beat. $70K!!! The new ZR1 is estimated to be $100K!! and will certainly not be 30 grand better. Vette's don't have enough Rodeo drive cred for that $100K price tag IMO and they still have the stigma of being a car for mid-life crisis Caucasian American males who take viagras with each coffee.

Merc1 · 12-20-2007, 08:40 AM

All the cars that have been on market for a while yes, the Porsches and the Z06, but the M3 I seriously doubt it. The waiting list I'm sure is full at every dealer across the U.S. They may have a few people to defect over the GTR, but not enough to even notice. A new M3 is still a highly sought after model no matter what else happens elsewhere in the autoworld.

M

dr Dunkel · 12-20-2007, 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bruce

I don't think there's anything about this thread that could be classified as "BMW bashing".

Maybe, but why is it always BMW? I just can't understand why they were chosen to be the target here.

dr Dunkel · 12-20-2007, 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luwalira

I'm glad Nissan chose that path because this will be a good choice for those who are in the market for a high performing daily driver resembling the M3.

In what way do you think it resembles the M3?

12-20-2007, 03:51 AM	#32
SDNR Connoisseur Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 5,985 Thanks: 1,319 Thanked 870 Times in 534 Posts	Re: Will BMW Bow Down To The NISSAN GTR??? You are right Chris, the Japanese have always done this. Just a little OT: In the mid 70s, the German company Zeiss decided to stop making its Contax cameras in Germany and did a deal with Japanese electronics company Kyocera to make them in Japan. In 2005, Zeiss and Kyocera decided to discontinue the production of Contax cameras altogether because they were not competitive in the digital camera market. ^I guess my point was Zeiss took advantage of Japanese technology and the yen.

12-20-2007, 04:40 AM	#33
vedjo01 Fanatic Join Date: May 2006 Location: Zagreb,Croatia Posts: 1,173 Thanks: 534 Thanked 680 Times in 340 Posts	Re: Will BMW Bow Down To The NISSAN GTR??? LOL,funny thread..here is what I think..

12-20-2007, 05:22 AM	#34
Centurion Jetsetter Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Sweden Posts: 9,202 Thanks: 1,037 Thanked 1,507 Times in 805 Posts	Re: Will BMW Bow Down To The NISSAN GTR??? After having read a few of the reviews and comparisons I'm impressed by what Nissan has accomplished with the GT-R. The Vette off course offers similar performance but is just like the Viper, a bit uncivilized. While cars like the 911 and GT-R has leather interior with more or less all comfort features found in any Benz or Bimmer. I'm glad Nissan chose that path because this will be a good choice for those who are in the market for a high performing daily driver resembling the M3.

12-20-2007, 05:28 AM	#35
Just_me Executive Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Sweden Posts: 15,487 Thanks: 1,062 Thanked 3,722 Times in 1,583 Posts	Re: Will BMW Bow Down To The NISSAN GTR??? I want to change the question: Will Skyline GTR bow down to ZR-1?

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Merc1 Contributor Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Aurora IL USA Posts: 7,272 Thanks: 1,561 Thanked 2,270 Times in 1,044 Posts	Re: Will BMW Bow Down To The NISSAN GTR??? Yep. I expect a full humiliation of the GT-R by the ZR-1. M

12-20-2007, 08:30 AM	#37
Maximus Decimus Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Jamaica -> US -> Germany Posts: 74 Thanks: 18 Thanked 43 Times in 18 Posts	Re: Will BMW Bow Down To The NISSAN GTR??? I think the following cars will see less than expected sales volumes thanks to the GTR. M3, Carrera's and Caymans, and Z06's. For the same money it will outperform the M3 and Porsches in basically every performance category. Although it's certainly not Audi/VW standard, the GTR will likely have a much more refined interior than the Chevy. Am I the only one that thinks the Vette and the Chevy Aveo use interior bits from the same parts bin? My buddy test drove a new Vette, and although it drove great, he said the fit and finish could have been better as he noticed an odd but persistent squeak coming somewhere from the rear over every bump. Onehots2k, I said the same thing in the other forum where you posed a similar question. I love the M3, always have, always will, and even though I'm not sold on the styling of the GTR inside or out, the value for dollar can't be beat. $70K!!! The new ZR1 is estimated to be $100K!! and will certainly not be 30 grand better. Vette's don't have enough Rodeo drive cred for that $100K price tag IMO and they still have the stigma of being a car for mid-life crisis Caucasian American males who take viagras with each coffee.

12-20-2007, 08:40 AM	#38
Merc1 Contributor Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Aurora IL USA Posts: 7,272 Thanks: 1,561 Thanked 2,270 Times in 1,044 Posts	Re: Will BMW Bow Down To The NISSAN GTR??? All the cars that have been on market for a while yes, the Porsches and the Z06, but the M3 I seriously doubt it. The waiting list I'm sure is full at every dealer across the U.S. They may have a few people to defect over the GTR, but not enough to even notice. A new M3 is still a highly sought after model no matter what else happens elsewhere in the autoworld. M

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