Will BMW Bow Down To The NISSAN GTR??? - Page 3

SDNR · 12-20-2007, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Sunny

Or the brand name. I mean, let us face it, premium German cars cost as much as they do cause people are willing to pay the premium for the brand name, not really cause they cost as much to build - wasn't there some article on the ridiculous amount Porsche makes per 911 - something to the tune of $20,000. And I don't even want to imagine what the figure is for Italian exotics.

I am not ridiculing the idea of brand value. Like it or hate it, it is part of the modern society. I like to think of myself as someone not too into brands, but I will admit, the toughest part of buying a GTR if I ever get one will be telling my friends I paid $70 grands for a Nissan, while I will proudly announce I sunk 100 big ones into a Porsche.

I agree to a point ...but Western Europe is an expensive place to run a business, the costs are very high and it doesn't always translate into excessive profits -- especially after tax.

Sunny · 12-20-2007, 01:29 AM

True, but so is Japan, if you take real estate prices as an indication of relative living expense - which in turn, I guess, would decide the cost of running a business.

But one thing I did conveniently ignore in my post is Nissan can afford to sell GTRs at a loss (I don't know if that is the case). Chysler does sell the Viper at a loss (or at least used to), but Porsche can't do the same for 911.

dr Dunkel · 12-20-2007, 01:31 AM

Ah, another one of those refreshing BMW bashing threads! I wonder why the boy did not start a thread like "Will Alfa Bow Down To The GTR???"... or one about Chevrolet for that matter?

Anyway, no, BMW will not bow down to the GTR. Nissan has created a car that does not compete with anything BMW has to offer so there is really no need to make a reaction on account of that. By the sound of it the boy wants BMW to build an Audi RS and if someone should be doing that its Audi...

Merc1 · 12-20-2007, 01:36 AM

True Sunny.

This brings me to another point. Nissan really can't threaten BMW, Porsche or any other sports, sporty luxury car maker from a business point of view because the GT-R is a one-off model for them. Their "business" is the Altima, Murano, Maxima, etc. etc. They couldn't build enough of them put Porsche out of business. Now were BMW and others did dodge a bullet in this country is the fact that they decided not to label the GT-R and Infiniti. That would have put it closer to, if not directly in a competition with BMW's M3 in some people's minds.

Really Chevy is the only one that makes the Corvette in sheer volume to threaten Porsche, but the two cars are so far apart asthetically that both have their devoted following that wouldn't hardly dream of owning the other.

M

Guibo · 12-20-2007, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob

^Interesting points DocM.

Why are German cars so much more expensive than Japanese ones? ....Japanese labour is not cheap, so it must have a lot to do with productivity.

What do you think about the possibility of yen devaluation, a policy supported by the Japanese government in order to maintain high exports (and reduce imports into Japan)?

dr Dunkel · 12-20-2007, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Merc1

Really Chevy is the only one that makes the Corvette in sheer volume to threaten Porsche, but the two cars are so far apart asthetically that both have their devoted following that wouldn't hardly dream of owning the other.

M

And Chevy is the only car maker that produces a car that directly competes with the GTR and that is because of pricing vs performance.

Merc1 · 12-20-2007, 01:50 AM

True Doc.

My gut feeling is that Porsche is the only one with anything to really worry about here. This new Vette and the GT-R may get some Porsche intenders that are on the fence, but I can't see any of the Italian/British exotics much considering a Nissan or a super Corvette.

M

SDNR · 12-20-2007, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Guibo

What do you think about the possibility of yen devaluation, a policy supported by the Japanese government in order to maintain high exports (and reduce imports into Japan)?

I guess Japan is worried about China's growing dominance as the 'world's big factory'.

Bruce · 12-20-2007, 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by dr Dunkel

Ah, another one of those refreshing BMW bashing threads! I wonder why the boy did not start a thread like "Will Alfa Bow Down To The GTR???"... or one about Chevrolet for that matter?

I don't think there's anything about this thread that could be classified as "BMW bashing". Furthermore, it's creator has shown his affection for the BMW 1-Series Coupe many times before.

cawimmer430 · 12-20-2007, 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob

^Interesting points DocM.

Why are German cars so much more expensive than Japanese ones? ....Japanese labour is not cheap, so it must have a lot to do with productivity.

For one, the Germans practice prestige pricing, and two, the Japanese keep their currency artificially weak by purchasing large amounts of US Dollars. This makes their products cheaper in the US market. The Euro is very competitive with the US Dollar resulting in "expensive" European products in the US (now add prestige pricing to that).

Lastly, the Japanese have always practiced this strategy of offering more for less money.

12-20-2007, 01:29 AM	#22
Sunny Advocate Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 936 Thanks: 475 Thanked 183 Times in 117 Posts	Re: Will BMW Bow Down To The NISSAN GTR??? True, but so is Japan, if you take real estate prices as an indication of relative living expense - which in turn, I guess, would decide the cost of running a business. But one thing I did conveniently ignore in my post is Nissan can afford to sell GTRs at a loss (I don't know if that is the case). Chysler does sell the Viper at a loss (or at least used to), but Porsche can't do the same for 911.

12-20-2007, 01:31 AM	#23
dr Dunkel Enthusiast Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 493 Thanks: 227 Thanked 74 Times in 58 Posts	Re: Will BMW Bow Down To The NISSAN GTR??? Ah, another one of those refreshing BMW bashing threads! I wonder why the boy did not start a thread like "Will Alfa Bow Down To The GTR???"... or one about Chevrolet for that matter? Anyway, no, BMW will not bow down to the GTR. Nissan has created a car that does not compete with anything BMW has to offer so there is really no need to make a reaction on account of that. By the sound of it the boy wants BMW to build an Audi RS and if someone should be doing that its Audi...

12-20-2007, 01:36 AM	#24
Merc1 Contributor Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Aurora IL USA Posts: 7,272 Thanks: 1,561 Thanked 2,270 Times in 1,044 Posts	Re: Will BMW Bow Down To The NISSAN GTR??? True Sunny. This brings me to another point. Nissan really can't threaten BMW, Porsche or any other sports, sporty luxury car maker from a business point of view because the GT-R is a one-off model for them. Their "business" is the Altima, Murano, Maxima, etc. etc. They couldn't build enough of them put Porsche out of business. Now were BMW and others did dodge a bullet in this country is the fact that they decided not to label the GT-R and Infiniti. That would have put it closer to, if not directly in a competition with BMW's M3 in some people's minds. Really Chevy is the only one that makes the Corvette in sheer volume to threaten Porsche, but the two cars are so far apart asthetically that both have their devoted following that wouldn't hardly dream of owning the other. M

12-20-2007, 01:50 AM	#27
Merc1 Contributor Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Aurora IL USA Posts: 7,272 Thanks: 1,561 Thanked 2,270 Times in 1,044 Posts	Re: Will BMW Bow Down To The NISSAN GTR??? True Doc. My gut feeling is that Porsche is the only one with anything to really worry about here. This new Vette and the GT-R may get some Porsche intenders that are on the fence, but I can't see any of the Italian/British exotics much considering a Nissan or a super Corvette. M

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