Another comparison Autobild: M3 vs C63 - Page 2

atuv · 11-03-2007, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Guibo

What is meant by "more direct nature"? Is that about the purity of the driving experience?

Most likely

Just_me · 11-03-2007, 06:48 AM

Again its crazy how people are so obsessed which car wins. You buy what you want. Im sorry but only true fanatics care about winnings.

yeah and those arguments, "what if" and so on is just childish. You just have to accept how the cars are built.

Just_me · 11-03-2007, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Guibo

What is meant by "more direct nature"? Is that about the purity of the driving experience?

probably, also Autobild think the steering was better "sharper" in the M3 than in the C63.

monster · 11-03-2007, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Sunny

I can turn that around and say how much better the M3 would have been if it had 40 more HP, but I frankly find these 'if' arguments pretty frivolous. I mean it is MB that decided to make the car 400lbs heavier and put an automatic transmission not some unavoidable act of nature.

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Originally Posted by Just_me

Again its crazy how people are so obsessed which car wins. You buy what you want. Im sorry but only true fanatics care about winnings.

yeah and those arguments, "what if" and so on is just childish. You just have to accept how the cars are built.

I was simply saying what I think MB should do in the future development of the car, and I didn't expect people to react that way. The C63 did very well and I am not complaining about the comparison result. I don't see how what I have said can be seen as an argument.

As an engineering student, I am always thinking of ways to improve existing mechanical designs, so even though I accept how the cars are built, I still think about how it could be improved.

cawimmer430 · 11-03-2007, 07:45 AM

I love these German reviews of performance cars.

"Poor fuel economy!"

"Poor fuel economy!"

"Poor fuel economy!"

My question is: WHO CARES?

If you do, then get a 320d or a C220 CDI.

Also, I don't think Autobild really pushed the cars. It looks like they quoted factory acceleration times, as most German magazines do, sadly. When it comes to 0-100 km/h times, I think I really only trust Car and Driver, EVO, 5th Gear, Motor Trend and Road & Track. At least these guys give you an impression that they "push the cars to the limit". When German magazines test these cars, so I gather from reading and feel, they simply drive them, but not hard enough.

Too bad the Motorvision website ain't too good...

dr Dunkel · 11-03-2007, 07:49 AM

Seems like the new M3 performs a lot better than some initially predicted...

Just_me · 11-03-2007, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by monster

I was simply saying what I think MB should do in the future development of the car, and I didn't expect people to react that way. The C63 did very well and I am not complaining about the comparison result. I don't see how what I have said can be seen as an argument.

its not you, but I have heard it before and now I hear it again. Some people are actually using it as an excuse.

C63 did well but so did M3. I have driven the new M3 and its a fantastic car, it might be under powered compared to C63 but the M3 has plenty of speed and its a fantastic drive. And reeving to 8400 rpm is addictive.
All three germans are great car and argument which one is the "best" is pointless, we all know its subjective.

Just_me · 11-03-2007, 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cawimmer430

I love these German reviews of performance cars.

"Poor fuel economy!"

"Poor fuel economy!"

"Poor fuel economy!"

My question is: WHO CARES?

If you do, then get a 320d or a C220 CDI.

Also, I don't think Autobild really pushed the cars. It looks like they quoted factory acceleration times, as most German magazines do, sadly. When it comes to 0-100 km/h times, I think I really only trust Car and Driver, EVO, 5th Gear, Motor Trend and Road & Track. At least these guys give you an impression that they "push the cars to the limit". When German magazines test these cars, so I gather from reading and feel, they simply drive them, but not hard enough.

Too bad the Motorvision website ain't too good...

actually there are people that care. Many M5 owners complain the new V10 drinks a lot of fuel. Which mean they have stop a lot and add more gasolin. Heck , some have even sold the car becuase its so thirsty. So yes its important.
I wouldnt mind seeing a performance car drinking fuel like a diesel. I think thats the future, fast cars that drink little. That would be a dream come true.

PS factory time for M3 isnt 15.2 sec, its more like 16 sec.

castagna · 11-03-2007, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by dr Dunkel

Seems like the new M3 performs a lot better than some initially predicted...

The M3 was supposed to destroy its rivals

Has that happened?

Just_me · 11-03-2007, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by castagna

The M3 was supposed to destroy its rivals

Has that happened?

Thats not possible since BMW decided that American market is more important to them. They even admited that and said the new M3 is more of a GT rather than a sportcar. I guess they want to sell more cars.

BTW can you evolve the word "destroy", what is destroy for you? and who said the M3 was going to destroy? the fans?

11-03-2007, 06:48 AM	#12
Just_me Executive Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Sweden Posts: 15,487 Thanks: 1,062 Thanked 3,722 Times in 1,583 Posts	Re: Another comparison Autobild: M3 vs C63 Again its crazy how people are so obsessed which car wins. You buy what you want. Im sorry but only true fanatics care about winnings. yeah and those arguments, "what if" and so on is just childish. You just have to accept how the cars are built.

11-03-2007, 07:45 AM	#15
cawimmer430 Trendsetter Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Mühldorf am Inn, Germany Posts: 8,028 Thanks: 3,975 Thanked 3,189 Times in 1,366 Posts	Re: Another comparison Autobild: M3 vs C63 I love these German reviews of performance cars. "Poor fuel economy!" "Poor fuel economy!" "Poor fuel economy!" My question is: WHO CARES? If you do, then get a 320d or a C220 CDI. Also, I don't think Autobild really pushed the cars. It looks like they quoted factory acceleration times, as most German magazines do, sadly. When it comes to 0-100 km/h times, I think I really only trust Car and Driver, EVO, 5th Gear, Motor Trend and Road & Track. At least these guys give you an impression that they "push the cars to the limit". When German magazines test these cars, so I gather from reading and feel, they simply drive them, but not hard enough. Too bad the Motorvision website ain't too good...

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dr Dunkel Enthusiast Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 493 Thanks: 227 Thanked 74 Times in 58 Posts	Re: Another comparison Autobild: M3 vs C63 Seems like the new M3 performs a lot better than some initially predicted...

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