cawimmer430

PC Valkyrie

JustMe, take it easy. I don't doubt a word you are saying about the M3. I'm sure it's a GREAT handling car and very fast in a straight line too. In the end I think you agree with me that the C63 is likely faster than the M3 in a straight line (by a much larger margin than the previous C32/C55 was over the E46 M3). Obviously, that is not important to you and that is perfectly fine. (It's not that important to me either because its' easy now to lose your car in Toronto if you are caught racing or speeding >50km/h over the speed limit). But I think my point still holds: for the majority of drivers on the streets, it is far more likely that the C63 will be the faster car (maybe by a significant margin). For some people, that may be important when you're spending so much money on a performance car.

And many BMW owners value straight line speed. Just look at M5board, where there is constant pride in the fact that the M5 is faster than the E55/E63 at high speeds (well above any speed limits anywhere in the world). M5board loves doing straight line runs in their airfield competitions. Look at E90post where tuned 335i's blowing away other cars in a straight line contest is a constant source of pride. When you have a car that can out-accelerate another, that is the most basic and easiest way to brag about the "performance" of a car for many people.

Frankly, unless you drive on a track, any superiority one car has over another in terms of handling is mute and for bragging rights only. It's not like you're comparing a M3 to a Toyota Echo where you'll corner SO much faster on everyday streets.

As a guy who has tracked his car a few times now, I really appreciate the joys of driving a car fast in a straight line AND turning at or close to the limit.....it's so much fun. But I'm in the minority, as most people will never drive their cars this way. For most people, straight line speed or taking a curvy on-ramp on everyday roads are the primary ways they will get their thrills.

Ultimately, preference for the brand and styling/image will also play a big part in people's choices, because all 3 cars in question are way more than any person really needs for everyday driving.

Just_me

I'm taking it easy ???

Majority of the owners will rarely race on the streets anyway, they just want show that they can buy the car and take it to work, shopping, travelling or visiting friends or want a moment of fun. You dont pick a C63 becuase you want to beat M3 drivers on the streets (or the other way around). Both has enough acceleration for majority of the people.
I prefer the highreeving concept over torque, if it was the later that was more important than I buy myself a diesel also I dont mind changing gears more often than with a torque engine, I'm not lazy you know

Remember, there will always be faster car out there that is faster than you and you are just a fool if you think you are unbeatable.

M5board and their event, more people will participate if its straightline and not a track test. You dont need to be good to accelerate but you need to be good to go fast around a track. So its less risk to damage a car in straightline than on a track.

BTW a CLK63 was invited but he never showed up.


PS 335i is the poor mans M3

The Artist

In one test they say that if the M3 driver isnt on top of his heel and toe game..he wouldnt even know wich way the C63 went..

I guess that summs it up...

PC Valkyrie

When did I say that I (or anybody) was "unbeatable"? I just said that the C63 will likely beat the M3 on everyday roads. And I bet the next RS4 will likely beat the C63 in a few years time.

GTA8.5

I agree! Car&Driver is known to exaggerate a good deal and thay did so with the weight factor of the M3 compared with the C63 not considering the fact that the M3 tested here is a coupe. Naturally a 4-door is going to be heavier, (goofballs) The M3 4-door should have been tested here.

I also hate the way thay drag test the 0-60 times with the brake-torque method, it doesn`t allow the engine to build it`s power naturally. With the big torque of the C63 you know it`s going to win.

Congrats to the M3 coupe for the victory but I still say this wasn`t a defeat
for the C63. It was complamented as being the most rewarding experience overall (not only for straight line blasts) It got 1 place for driver position and ergonomics which is critical.

Just_me

I havent said you said it. it was me who said it

Steve

That quote was from Autocar and Chris Harris made it. CH is a well respected driver and has many event wins to his name ( the boy can drive.....very well)

another quote from the same article

"I cant think i ever imagined a time when i would state, unequivocally, that a fact c class would have better steering than an M3, but that time has come. The M3s rack has been the subject of much debate since its launch. I dont have a problem with its apparent lack of 'feel' as some because you can stillplace it accuratly through any turn, but the weighting and steering feel of the C63 are both superior. Turn the wheels 15 degrees either side of centre ( as yoy do many times on the on the road to Frankfurt) and your hands and shoulders are met with more resistance than they are in the M3. Thers somthing to push against, in the M3 its just lighter, there isnt as much information to help you judge the amount of lock required. Small point Big difference.

and btw CH has bought an M3.