F01 BMW 7er - Spy Pics -- PART II - Page 2

The Artist · 09-28-2007, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Porsche Guy

I don't know if you're joking with that smiley face at the end of your sentence but MB's F series concepts have been design studies in some cases. Have a look at the F200.

F200

W220 S class

yep thats the only one..
i guess it remains to be seen if the F700 is tech or design
personally i wouldnt say that just beacuse of one F car (F200) the F700 will be MB´s future..
but who knows

klier · 09-29-2007, 08:27 AM

^^^^ Hahaha!
Nice one Porsche Guy. I completely forgot that the W220 is like a carbon copy of the F200 (the front at least)

Now Artist cannot say the F-series cars are only design concepts. They CLEARLY are not.

All the best with the new S class, MB guys

So far, signs point to a horrible looking car!

The Artist · 09-29-2007, 09:26 AM

^i think you got to excited there.. i never said that F cars where only DESIGN concepts..
i said that they where only TECHNOLOGY concepts

damn man.. get a grip

Ralfd · 10-03-2007, 03:35 AM

Here is a link to a gallery with some new spyshots :

- ONLY REGISTERED AND ACTIVATED USERS CAN SEE ALL LINKS - CLICK HERE TO REGISTER=

In the article they mention the V8 TT engine with 490 Hp as additional choice

Merc1 · 10-03-2007, 07:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by klier

^^^^ Hahaha!
Nice one Porsche Guy. I completely forgot that the W220 is like a carbon copy of the F200 (the front at least)

Now Artist cannot say the F-series cars are only design concepts. They CLEARLY are not.

All the best with the new S class, MB guys

So far, signs point to a horrible looking car!

The next E-Class will have the big grille and headlight design of the F700.

M

Just_me · 10-03-2007, 07:52 AM

V8 with 490hp, thats more than 760Li. So can we expect 530hp for the V12?

Tycoon · 10-03-2007, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Just_me

V8 with 490hp, thats more than 760Li. So can we expect 530hp for the V12?

Wow! 490 hp? Great if true and definitely no need for X5 M if that's the case. Those 490 ponies and 2 turbos will do the job against Cayenne Turbo and ML63.

Oh and V12 must get some serious update/power boost. By the time next 7er arrives, current 445 hp will seem weak.

The article also says the new V8 diesel will push about 350hp.

klier · 10-03-2007, 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TycoonGTR

Wow! 490 hp? Great if true and definitely no need for X5 M if that's the case. Those 490 ponies and 2 turbos will do the job against Cayenne Turbo and ML63.

Oh and V12 must get some serious update/power boost. By the time next 7er arrives, current 445 hp will seem weak.

The article also says the new V8 diesel will push about 350hp.

490 hp sounds pretty great for the V8 TT! Perfect, in fact.

As for the current V12...Tycoon, I've always thought it was severely underpowered. Right from the start. And it's a damn shame, because it probably is the best V12 in production, and is capable of so much more.
For the next V12, I think 550 hp is the minimum.

So 350 hp for the V8 TT diesel, and 490 hp for the V8 TT gasoline...The Diesel looks a bit underpowered actually. The difference has always been much less (286 hp vs 306 hp and 330 hp vs 367 hp) But then again, the current V8 4.8 is an old, NA engine, so.....

Edit;

From Autozeitung:

Quote:

BMW Siebener

Der neue Siebener von BMW soll ab 2008 deutlich mehr Dynamik versprühen als die aktuelle Version. Die Chancen für eine sportliche M-Version des großen Bayern stehen nicht schlecht.

Bei den Motoren werden vorrangig Sechs- und Achtzylinder mit Benzin-Direkteinspritzung zum Zuge kommen

Short in English:

April 2008, more dynamic, the chances for an M version of the 7er are 'not bad'. 6-and 8 cylinder direct injection.

Tycoon · 10-03-2007, 09:02 AM

klier, 350hp diesel is one stage turbo, not 2. Only an update of current engine in 745d.

And yes, i agree that V12 is underpowered compared to the one in S600 for example, but 550 seems too optimistic to me... 510 or so would do the job.

klier · 10-03-2007, 09:15 AM

Ahhh, that explains it perfectly well. Never thought of that, lol

I guess they think 350 hp is enough for a diesel, no need to twin turbocharge it.
However, with a power upgrade to the current 3.0 TT diesel, which is bound to happen, it'll be awefully close to the new V8 diesel.

09-29-2007, 08:27 AM	#12
klier Devotee Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Netherlands Posts: 3,173 Thanks: 1,006 Thanked 294 Times in 179 Posts	Re: F01 BMW 7er - spy pics -- PART II ^^^^ Hahaha! Nice one Porsche Guy. I completely forgot that the W220 is like a carbon copy of the F200 (the front at least) Now Artist cannot say the F-series cars are only design concepts. They CLEARLY are not. All the best with the new S class, MB guys So far, signs point to a horrible looking car!

09-29-2007, 09:26 AM	#13
The Artist Expert Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Sweden Gothenburg Posts: 13,186 Thanks: 257 Thanked 1,235 Times in 678 Posts	Re: F01 BMW 7er - spy pics -- PART II ^i think you got to excited there.. i never said that F cars where only DESIGN concepts.. i said that they where only TECHNOLOGY concepts damn man.. get a grip

10-03-2007, 03:35 AM	#14
Ralfd Enthusiast Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Munich Posts: 102 Thanks: 44 Thanked 116 Times in 32 Posts	Re: F01 BMW 7er - spy pics -- PART II Here is a link to a gallery with some new spyshots : - ONLY REGISTERED AND ACTIVATED USERS CAN SEE ALL LINKS - CLICK HERE TO REGISTER= In the article they mention the V8 TT engine with 490 Hp as additional choice

10-03-2007, 07:52 AM	#16
Just_me Executive Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Sweden Posts: 15,487 Thanks: 1,062 Thanked 3,722 Times in 1,583 Posts	Re: F01 BMW 7er - spy pics -- PART II V8 with 490hp, thats more than 760Li. So can we expect 530hp for the V12?

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Tycoon Expert Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 12,811 Thanks: 3,263 Thanked 3,647 Times in 1,986 Posts	Re: F01 BMW 7er - spy pics -- PART II klier, 350hp diesel is one stage turbo, not 2. Only an update of current engine in 745d. And yes, i agree that V12 is underpowered compared to the one in S600 for example, but 550 seems too optimistic to me... 510 or so would do the job.

10-03-2007, 09:15 AM	#20
klier Devotee Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Netherlands Posts: 3,173 Thanks: 1,006 Thanked 294 Times in 179 Posts	Re: F01 BMW 7er - spy pics -- PART II Ahhh, that explains it perfectly well. Never thought of that, lol I guess they think 350 hp is enough for a diesel, no need to twin turbocharge it. However, with a power upgrade to the current 3.0 TT diesel, which is bound to happen, it'll be awefully close to the new V8 diesel.

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